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Be the good girl you always have to be: Is Frozen’s Elsa the queer heroine we need, but not the one we deserve? 
Another Disney film and another wave of reviews, reading, and critisisms are beginning to hit the internet. Amid discussions of Disney’s ongoing race problems, feminist-friendly trope subversions, and the eternal question of “why the hell is that Reindeer acting like a dog?” one question stands out to me: Is Queen Elsa, well, queer?  
There certainly is a compelling case for it. On the obvious level, Elsa has no love interest in the piece (her sister, Anna, gets two!) Hans himself says that “no one was making progress” with Elsa in a romantic sense. Now, I’m not about to argue that any young woman about to take control of a country who isn’t interested in a boyfriend is a lesbian. Similar comments were made about Brave’s Merida, and honestly, that in itself isn’t enough for a decent queer reading.
But with Elsa there is more. So much more.
Effectively, her ice powers are a convenient LGBTQIAP+ metaphor (much in the same vein as the X-Men’s mutant powers.) 
Elsa has been born with these powers (she’s literally born that way). They are an integral part of who she is as a person, but she is forced by her parents to keep that part of her hidden. If people know, they would reject her, she would be in danger, made into a pariah by her own people. So she is made a self-exile instead. Full of fear of experiencing the isolation and discrimination that LGBTQIAP+ people know so well, Elsa hides away from everyone, even her sister. 
Watching Elsa struggle to keep up her mask or normalcy is heart breaking. She wears gloves all the time, constantly afraid to touch other people. Her father’s words- her mantra is- “Conceal, Don’t Feel.” Hide who you are. Don’t follow your heart. Don’t feel your feelings. “Be the good girl you always have to be.” She is, rather obviously and metaphorically, in the closet about her true inner self. 
But on the day when she comes of age- her Coronation day, when she is finally a young woman and no longer a girl- her secret is revealed. 
Elsa’s “Let It Go” is an epic ballad. Transitioning from a lament, to self-acceptance, all the way to self-celebration, Elsa literally strips away her confinements (hair pieces, crowns, gloves, cloaks, sleeves) and transforms into a sparkling, confidant woman.  She says “That perfect girl is gone / Here I stand in the light of day /Let the storm rage on /The cold never bothered me anyway” To deny that it sounds like a bit of a coming out ballad for those of us who have gone through the same struggle is putting it mildly. 
To read Elsa as a queer heroine, to read her struggle as a queer struggle, and to see the ending where Anna proves that she loves her sister no matter what and she is able to go back home as she truly is, adds such a level of depth to an already lovely film. 
Now, let me be clear: a queer reading for Elsa is easy and, for me, compelling. She may very well be the queer icon that many of us NEED right now- high profile, sparkling, with a karaoke worthy ballad.
But ultimately, Elsa isn’t the queer icon we DESERVE. Her queerness is simply an interpretation, a reading built on metaphor and subtext. She is not canonly queer. she does not give visibility and representation to the LGBTQIAP+ community. 
What we DESERVE is a queer heroine who’s queerness is more than subtext. I’m talking Girl meets girl, big sweeping love ballads, true love’s first kiss, all of it. And someday, we WILL get it. Elsa just isn’t that.  
 

I don’t see Elsa as simply a “queer” heroine. I don’t see her in that specific light. Yes, what she goes through is what people say is similar to being closeted and coming out, but can’t she just be a symbol for anyone who feels different? She can’t just be pigeon holed into the queer category. She’s much more than that. She’s a role model for all those people out there who have ever felt like they need to hide a part of themselves to fit in. She’s a symbol for everyone who has ever been belittled for their gifts and talents. She shows that love and support can overcome anything, and you don’t have to pretend with people who truly love you. She’s not just a symbol for LGBTQ people. 





I don’t see Elsa as simply a “queer” heroine. I don’t see her in that specific light. Yes, what she goes through is what people say is similar to being closeted and coming out, but can’t she just be a symbol for anyone who feels different? She can’t just be pigeon holed into the queer category. She’s much more than that. She’s a role model for all those people out there who have ever felt like they need to hide a part of themselves to fit in. She’s a symbol for everyone who has ever been belittled for their gifts and talents. She shows that love and support can overcome anything, and you don’t have to pretend with people who truly love you. She’s not just a symbol for LGBTQ people. 
I think it would be great to see a queer character in a Disney movie, but at the same time I don’t forsee that happening anytime soon. Disney’s main audience is children. Yes, there are children that are exposed to the LGBTQ community quite young, but there are also those that aren’t. Parents who shield their children from that would reject Disney and Disney would then lose a major base. 
Besides, I think politics and opinions and polarizing subjects should be left out of Disney movies. The entertainment value would be lost to favor a political statement, and I think that’s not what Disney is about. Disney is for everyone. It’s something that we can put aside our differences for and come together and love. Whether you are queer or straight, conservative or liberal, yellow or blue or green, Disney is for everyone. That would be lost if a queer character was introduced. 

Disney is for everyone: As long as we only show straight cis people.
Really? REALLY? 
REEEAAAAALLY?
Disney is for eVERYONE but only as long as they ONLY ever show CIS STRAIGHT PEOPLE. 
Queer people can come together and love movies about cis straight people, but we CANT EXPECT CIS STRAIGHT PEOPLE TO ENJOY MOVIES ABOUT QUEER PEOPLE. 
Straight people, please. 

Wow that person above is messed up. They say Disney is for everyone, but apparently, not everyone gets to be represented. What this says is that straight white cis characters are the norm and that everyone just needs to accept that. Ugh.Also, why is it so important for someone to insist that the character isn’t queer? What harm would it do? 

That’s not at all what I am saying. All of the Disney characters are much more than their sexuality. In fact, whenever I’m watching a Disney movie, I don’t even pay attention to sexuality. I pay attention to the character and to the story line. 
My comment about Disney being for everyone is that Disney is not something that should be played into politics. It doesn’t matter if you’re anti-LGBTQ or pro LGBTQ, Disney is for you. There are characteristics that everyone can identify with (regardless of sexuality). If an LGBTQ character was introduced their sexuality would be the entire focus and Disney would lose its ability to unify, regardless of beliefs. Plus, children would be exposed to hatred from the anti LGBTQ side (you know it would happen) and I don’t want to have children exposed to such horrible hatred. 
As for the straight comment: That comes from the histories, stories, and fairy tales that the Disney movies are based in. It’s not something that Disney just chooses. In Snow White, Snow White ends up with the Prince. In the Little Mermaid, the Little Mermaid falls in love with the Prince (though in the end she does kill herself over him). In Beauty and the Beast, the Beauty falls for the Beast. Disney gets many of its stories from fairy tales, and those fairy tales and stories feature straight characters. 
Oh, and your “white” comment: I feel like Jasmine, Aladdin, Pocahontas, Tiana, Naveen, Ray, Lilo, Nani, David, Mulan, Shang, Russel from “Up,” Esmerelda, and Mowgali would love to argue with that. Also, I think the other characters would be more than happy to point out their European heritage (and their roots in European fairy tale). 

Oh seven hells. 
LGBTQIAP+ children exist, and guess what? We’re aware of homophobia. We know. We know cis straight assholes hate us already.Trust me, we fucking know. 
You don’t CONTRIBUTE to the erasure and marginalization and invisibility of LGBTQIAP+ kids to protect them from homophobia. All you do is pour more heteronormativity into the world and contribute to the homophobia.
Being LGBTQIAP+ is not a political statement. Our existence is not political.  We exist. Period. 
Your assertion that “If an LGBTQ character was introduced their sexuality would be the entire focus”, but your heteronomativity is SO INGRAINED that when you are “watching a Disney movie, I don’t even pay attention to sexuality” betrays more about you than you probably realize. 
Let me make this clear: we deserve to see ourselves in media. We deserve visibility. We deserve representation. We deserve to have heroes and princesses and love stories and coming of age narratives. 
I don’t care if fucking cis straight assholes can’t identify with us because you’ve othered us so completely that you can’t see anything about us beyond our sexuality. Your bigotry is not our problem and does not make us less deserving of equality.

Nailed it fandomsandfeminism. You rock.Not to mention, if one character was not straight, there is still, well every other Disney character for straight people to identify with.

I’m just going to toss in that sexuality in a character should not and is not the focus point of the story. I didn’t watch Frozen and think, “Hey I think Elsa is asexual. Is she? That’s a cute song, is she singing about being asexual?” For me it was nice seeing a strong character like her just…continue being a strong character. If a love interest came along I wouldn’t have been upset but it was just nice knowing that people like me weren’t just seen in the media as boring, slightly autistic, or socially incapable. Even though it’s only an assumption on a character, I like having that assumption at least. I’d like to see more asexual people in films and shows that AREN’T the butt of social jokes, that AREN’T  the isolated Sherlock Holmes, or the laughing stock Sheldon. I want to see someone who has emotions, who has feelings, who cares, who has internal battles, who acts just like everybody else but simply…has no sexual desire.Elsa is the first Disney princess that I can finally relate too. Finally. I’m 20 years old and I’ve been watching Disney since I was 5 and after 15 years I can feel happy knowing that I can understand her and sing her songs and feel good about it. Representation is very important. Not just for asexuals but for the entire LGBTQIAP+ community. I’d feel better KNOWING Elsa were ace, but it doesn’t change the fact that she’s a (fictional) person. It won’t change that she has issues, that she has overcome them, whether she liked girls or boys or both or none, it didn’t derive from the story. To be honest, I feel like a love interest would have actually ruined the story for her.

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Be the good girl you always have to be: Is Frozen’s Elsa the queer heroine we need, but not the one we deserve? 

Another Disney film and another wave of reviews, reading, and critisisms are beginning to hit the internet. Amid discussions of Disney’s ongoing race problems, feminist-friendly trope subversions, and the eternal question of “why the hell is that Reindeer acting like a dog?” one question stands out to me: Is Queen Elsa, well, queer?  

There certainly is a compelling case for it. On the obvious level, Elsa has no love interest in the piece (her sister, Anna, gets two!) Hans himself says that “no one was making progress” with Elsa in a romantic sense. Now, I’m not about to argue that any young woman about to take control of a country who isn’t interested in a boyfriend is a lesbian. Similar comments were made about Brave’s Merida, and honestly, that in itself isn’t enough for a decent queer reading.

But with Elsa there is more. So much more.

Effectively, her ice powers are a convenient LGBTQIAP+ metaphor (much in the same vein as the X-Men’s mutant powers.) 

Elsa has been born with these powers (she’s literally born that way). They are an integral part of who she is as a person, but she is forced by her parents to keep that part of her hidden. If people know, they would reject her, she would be in danger, made into a pariah by her own people. So she is made a self-exile instead. Full of fear of experiencing the isolation and discrimination that LGBTQIAP+ people know so well, Elsa hides away from everyone, even her sister. 

Watching Elsa struggle to keep up her mask or normalcy is heart breaking. She wears gloves all the time, constantly afraid to touch other people. Her father’s words- her mantra is- “Conceal, Don’t Feel.” Hide who you are. Don’t follow your heart. Don’t feel your feelings. “Be the good girl you always have to be.” She is, rather obviously and metaphorically, in the closet about her true inner self. 

But on the day when she comes of age- her Coronation day, when she is finally a young woman and no longer a girl- her secret is revealed. 

Elsa’s “Let It Go” is an epic ballad. Transitioning from a lament, to self-acceptance, all the way to self-celebration, Elsa literally strips away her confinements (hair pieces, crowns, gloves, cloaks, sleeves) and transforms into a sparkling, confidant woman.  She says “That perfect girl is gone / Here I stand in the light of day /Let the storm rage on /The cold never bothered me anyway” To deny that it sounds like a bit of a coming out ballad for those of us who have gone through the same struggle is putting it mildly. 

To read Elsa as a queer heroine, to read her struggle as a queer struggle, and to see the ending where Anna proves that she loves her sister no matter what and she is able to go back home as she truly is, adds such a level of depth to an already lovely film. 

Now, let me be clear: a queer reading for Elsa is easy and, for me, compelling. She may very well be the queer icon that many of us NEED right now- high profile, sparkling, with a karaoke worthy ballad.

But ultimately, Elsa isn’t the queer icon we DESERVE. Her queerness is simply an interpretation, a reading built on metaphor and subtext. She is not canonly queer. she does not give visibility and representation to the LGBTQIAP+ community.

What we DESERVE is a queer heroine who’s queerness is more than subtext. I’m talking Girl meets girl, big sweeping love ballads, true love’s first kiss, all of it. And someday, we WILL get it. Elsa just isn’t that.  

 

I don’t see Elsa as simply a “queer” heroine. I don’t see her in that specific light. Yes, what she goes through is what people say is similar to being closeted and coming out, but can’t she just be a symbol for anyone who feels different? She can’t just be pigeon holed into the queer category. She’s much more than that. She’s a role model for all those people out there who have ever felt like they need to hide a part of themselves to fit in. She’s a symbol for everyone who has ever been belittled for their gifts and talents. She shows that love and support can overcome anything, and you don’t have to pretend with people who truly love you. She’s not just a symbol for LGBTQ people. 

I don’t see Elsa as simply a “queer” heroine. I don’t see her in that specific light. Yes, what she goes through is what people say is similar to being closeted and coming out, but can’t she just be a symbol for anyone who feels different? She can’t just be pigeon holed into the queer category. She’s much more than that. She’s a role model for all those people out there who have ever felt like they need to hide a part of themselves to fit in. She’s a symbol for everyone who has ever been belittled for their gifts and talents. She shows that love and support can overcome anything, and you don’t have to pretend with people who truly love you. She’s not just a symbol for LGBTQ people. 

I think it would be great to see a queer character in a Disney movie, but at the same time I don’t forsee that happening anytime soon. Disney’s main audience is children. Yes, there are children that are exposed to the LGBTQ community quite young, but there are also those that aren’t. Parents who shield their children from that would reject Disney and Disney would then lose a major base. 

Besides, I think politics and opinions and polarizing subjects should be left out of Disney movies. The entertainment value would be lost to favor a political statement, and I think that’s not what Disney is about. Disney is for everyone. It’s something that we can put aside our differences for and come together and love. Whether you are queer or straight, conservative or liberal, yellow or blue or green, Disney is for everyone. That would be lost if a queer character was introduced. 

Disney is for everyone: As long as we only show straight cis people.

Really? REALLY? 

REEEAAAAALLY?

Disney is for eVERYONE but only as long as they ONLY ever show CIS STRAIGHT PEOPLE. 

Queer people can come together and love movies about cis straight people, but we CANT EXPECT CIS STRAIGHT PEOPLE TO ENJOY MOVIES ABOUT QUEER PEOPLE. 

Straight people, please. 

Wow that person above is messed up. They say Disney is for everyone, but apparently, not everyone gets to be represented. What this says is that straight white cis characters are the norm and that everyone just needs to accept that. Ugh.

Also, why is it so important for someone to insist that the character isn’t queer? What harm would it do? 

That’s not at all what I am saying. All of the Disney characters are much more than their sexuality. In fact, whenever I’m watching a Disney movie, I don’t even pay attention to sexuality. I pay attention to the character and to the story line. 

My comment about Disney being for everyone is that Disney is not something that should be played into politics. It doesn’t matter if you’re anti-LGBTQ or pro LGBTQ, Disney is for you. There are characteristics that everyone can identify with (regardless of sexuality). If an LGBTQ character was introduced their sexuality would be the entire focus and Disney would lose its ability to unify, regardless of beliefs. Plus, children would be exposed to hatred from the anti LGBTQ side (you know it would happen) and I don’t want to have children exposed to such horrible hatred. 

As for the straight comment: That comes from the histories, stories, and fairy tales that the Disney movies are based in. It’s not something that Disney just chooses. In Snow White, Snow White ends up with the Prince. In the Little Mermaid, the Little Mermaid falls in love with the Prince (though in the end she does kill herself over him). In Beauty and the Beast, the Beauty falls for the Beast. Disney gets many of its stories from fairy tales, and those fairy tales and stories feature straight characters. 

Oh, and your “white” comment: I feel like Jasmine, Aladdin, Pocahontas, Tiana, Naveen, Ray, Lilo, Nani, David, Mulan, Shang, Russel from “Up,” Esmerelda, and Mowgali would love to argue with that. Also, I think the other characters would be more than happy to point out their European heritage (and their roots in European fairy tale). 

Oh seven hells. 

LGBTQIAP+ children exist, and guess what? We’re aware of homophobia. We know. We know cis straight assholes hate us already.Trust me, we fucking know. 

You don’t CONTRIBUTE to the erasure and marginalization and invisibility of LGBTQIAP+ kids to protect them from homophobia. All you do is pour more heteronormativity into the world and contribute to the homophobia.

Being LGBTQIAP+ is not a political statement. Our existence is not political.  We exist. Period. 

Your assertion that “If an LGBTQ character was introduced their sexuality would be the entire focus”, but your heteronomativity is SO INGRAINED that when you are “watching a Disney movie, I don’t even pay attention to sexuality” betrays more about you than you probably realize. 

Let me make this clear: we deserve to see ourselves in media. We deserve visibility. We deserve representation. We deserve to have heroes and princesses and love stories and coming of age narratives. 

I don’t care if fucking cis straight assholes can’t identify with us because you’ve othered us so completely that you can’t see anything about us beyond our sexuality. Your bigotry is not our problem and does not make us less deserving of equality.

Nailed it fandomsandfeminism. You rock.

Not to mention, if one character was not straight, there is still, well every other Disney character for straight people to identify with.

I’m just going to toss in that sexuality in a character should not and is not the focus point of the story. I didn’t watch Frozen and think, “Hey I think Elsa is asexual. Is she? That’s a cute song, is she singing about being asexual?” For me it was nice seeing a strong character like her just…continue being a strong character. If a love interest came along I wouldn’t have been upset but it was just nice knowing that people like me weren’t just seen in the media as boring, slightly autistic, or socially incapable. Even though it’s only an assumption on a character, I like having that assumption at least. I’d like to see more asexual people in films and shows that AREN’T the butt of social jokes, that AREN’T the isolated Sherlock Holmes, or the laughing stock Sheldon. I want to see someone who has emotions, who has feelings, who cares, who has internal battles, who acts just like everybody else but simply…has no sexual desire.

Elsa is the first Disney princess that I can finally relate too. Finally. I’m 20 years old and I’ve been watching Disney since I was 5 and after 15 years I can feel happy knowing that I can understand her and sing her songs and feel good about it.

Representation is very important. Not just for asexuals but for the entire LGBTQIAP+ community. I’d feel better KNOWING Elsa were ace, but it doesn’t change the fact that she’s a (fictional) person. It won’t change that she has issues, that she has overcome them, whether she liked girls or boys or both or none, it didn’t derive from the story. To be honest, I feel like a love interest would have actually ruined the story for her.

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